Any movement on the feature being implemented?
I’ve been using eM Client for a while, and I really like it, but manually organising my emails is such a pain and time consuming.
Please make this feature happen.
Extremely frustrating that such a simple, obvious and logical organizational feature is not available. It’s so fundamental it’s silly anybody has to talk about it. I’m ready to ditch outlook for emclient, but without this option, I’ll waste an hour a day just looking for things constantly.
Ditto, how do I vote for/convey to the dev team they should have done this many versions ago.
You won’t need to because eM Client’s Conversation feature will display the sent message with the received one regardless of what folders they are in. In fact you will probably save time because you won’t need to look for the sent messages down in the list as they will automatically be grouped with the received one.
In most cases it is the server that creates the message in the Sent folder on the server. Maybe saving the messages to different folders is something you could ask your email provider to implement?
Some users like Conversation view. Those are the ones that don’t organize. Some users do organize, so Conversation view is a workaround for a missing feature. We could maybe also use searches, but that would be a workaround, too.
With grouping sent with received into folders, we can export ALL the related messages. With Conversation view, how do we export ALL the related messages together, not just one particular conversation? For example, in a business, you need to keep all your business-related e-mails separate from your personal e-mails, not all jumbled across multiple folders. Are we to have to use multiple e-mail clients to separate business from personal? You may need to archive the related messages for business records. What if you had to bring all the related or business messages into court? You think the judge would accept a mess of related messages strewn across multiple folders while mixed in with lots of unrelated messages as evidence? Would you?
A folder for related received e-mails, and all their related replies mixed together with unrelated replies in the Sent folder is a mess. If you need to archive the related messages, both received and sent, it is a manual chore in eM Client. Whether at work or home (which could be the same place for SOHO), there should be afforded a means of separation to organize, not of conflation using a view.
With Conversation view aggregating messages across multiple folders, how does a user identify related messages to export? They have to individually select all the related messages to specify which to export, if that were possible? I don’t think eM Client’s export function works in Conversation view to not only group a thread for one conversation, but to group multiple related messages into a thread collection. While categories might be used to create a pseudo-collection of related messages, can you export based on category? Exporting is based on folders, not on threading with a Conversation view, or on categories. eM Client cannot do what other clients can, and for a very very long time.
Besides a personal preference of physically organizing related messages into folders, and seeing those related messages separate of all other messages jumbled in with Conversation view, there can be a business need, too, to keep not just business messages separate of personal messages, but customer messages separate between customers, purchase orders separate of customers, interdepartment communications at one location separate of customer and purchase messages, and perhaps even separate messages between different company locations.
Say I want to sell at both eBay and Craigslist. I don’t want all my eBay and Craigslist messages mixed together in one Conversation view. I want them separated. I might even have subfolders under a Craigslist folder for different products being sold, and similarly subfolders under an eBay folder for different sales. When I’m looking at my eBay communications, I don’t want to eyeball filter out the Craigslist communications. I don’t want to add more columns to help differentiate from which category or folder is a message within a thread.
Unlike sifting through a coffee can in which every nut, bolt, screw, rivet, and other hardware has been tossed together, and waving a magic viewer over the can to colorize the nuts, bolts, screws, and whatnot from each other, but still seeing all the bolts, screws, and whatnots when I want to find a nut, I’d prefer to have a separate can for nuts, another can for bolts, another for screws, and so on. I know there are lots of folks that toss the hardware into a big can, and then waste time sifting through the mess, but some of us like to organize ahead of time, and incrementally, to know where to find a particular type of hardware. And we can move the cans where we want without having to touch the other cans.
Actually Conversations make this a lot easier.
Rather than exporting the whole folder, if you want to export a particular conversation, just select it and save it. You don’t need to go through the whole folder to find the related messages. They are automatically added from any folders where the conversation messages are.
If you want to export the whole folder, just select all the messages in the folder and save them. It will automatically include messages that make up the conversations in that folder, from other folders.
For ONE message, yes. For all related messages, and if possible, I’d have to select them all to save them. If you keep messages for, say, 10 years, that would be a lot of messages to hunt through to then manually select to then save. Seems I would have to assign categories for each group of messages, search on a particular category, select all in the search results, and then save those. I’d have to use categories to do the grouping of related messages that eM Client won’t do, because of the absence of the “Save sent in same folder” option.
I’m just guessing assigning categories is doable to group related messages, and I can search on category, and then save ALL the messages in Conversation view that are in the same category. I haven’t tried this, but it is a lot of manual work to do the sifting that’s not needed if there were a “Save sent in same folder” option.
It’s not about one thread viewed across whatever folders its messages resides. It’s about groups LOTS of threads together within a known location.
eM Client has the option to flag messages marked-as-read when deleted. I don’t end up with the Trash folder showing a new message count after deleting messages (that were not read before deleting). Without that option, I’d have to keep hovering the mouse pointer over the Trash folder to right-click on it to select “Mark all as read” in the context menu. It’s an option that automates the manual workaround. Same for a “Save sent in same folder” option: automate organization without user interaction.
Conversation view is not about organization. It’s about compensating for a missing feature for those that have a need for organization. Can Conversation view be modified to show only those messages of the same category, so what you want to see for related messages isn’t mixed in with other unrelated messages? That is, is there a Conversation+category view that can be saved for reuse later to provide a grouped view of just the related messages?
No, conversations means you DON’T need to hunt. Just save the conversation and all the linked messages that make up that conversation will be saved automatically no matter what folder they are in.
You only have to hunt for them in apps that don’t use conversations.
Conversations is 100% about organisation. It displays all related messages, regardless of what folders they are in, together in one place, automatically.
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How would I show conversation for, say, eBay transactions that would be viewed separately from Craigslist transactions separately from general notices from work separately from messages for the QA department separately from messages for customer1 separately from messages for customer2, and so on? Yes, conversation view finds messages in a thread no matter in which folder they reside, but it doesn’t group conversations. I don’t want to see every conversation for eBay, Craigslist, company notices, customer1, customer2, and so one all jumbled together.
Conversation view gives me threading of a conversation, but it jumbles all threads in one list. I need separate lists which folders affords. That’s why I was wondering if conversation view could be merged with categories, so only those conversations sharing the same category could be viewed (and selected for save without having to weed through all the unrelated conversations).
Categories have nothing to do with conversations.
A conversation in its simplest form is a message you have sent, and a reply you have received to that message. Regardless of what folders those two messages are in, they are displayed together to form a conversation.
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In the left pane is Tags, and that seems to let me switch view by tag. I could click on Tags, select a tag, and see all conversations only with that tag to effectively group the related (tagged) conversations. Of course, I would have to manually add a tag on a message, but then I have to drag a received message into a folder, or have a rule do the move.
Hopefully when I use Tags → tagname to view messages, I’d see entire conversations where any message within a conversation has the selected tag. Seeing just messages having the selected tag would undo conversations view. For example, if just 1 message had a “Work” tag out of 10 (that had no tag, or different tags) in a conversation thread, would view-by-tag on “Work” show the entire 10-message conversation instead of just the 1 message. I don’t want to tag all 10 messages to get them to appear as a conversation when Tag → Work was selected.
None of this tagging and view-by-tag would be available outside of one instance of eM Client. Grouping related messages in the same folder would be exhibited in every IMAP client, and even in webmail clients. My workplace requires me to use MS Outlook. When traveling or vacationing, I might use a different e-mail client, like on my smartphone, or webmail on a computer at a resort, library, Internet cafe, etc. IMAP has some flags (\seen, \answered, \draft, \deleted, \flagged, \recent), but not the ones that would group related messages. None of the tagging and view-by-tag in eM Client on my desktop PC would translate to non-eM Client clients, and probably not even between instances of eM Client running on my other computers.
The “Save sent in same folder” is a convenience feature eliminating the user from sending a message, visiting the Sent folder, and move the newly sent message into the same folder as the parent message. Conversation view does not group RELATED conversations together, just messages for one conversation. Tagging and view-by tag might work, but is isolated to one instance of only eM Client. Not all e-mail users use the same one instance of an e-mail client wherever they are. Grouping into folders is supported in all IMAP and webmail clients. Not all clients have the “Save sent in same folder” option, but is also why some users wanting organization (rather than a view emulating organization) will gravitate to those that do.
For now, and in the absence of a “Save sent in same folder” option, seems the workarounds are:
- Send a message, visit the Sent folder, and move the newly sent message to the folder containing the parent message. A repetitive and error prone process.
- Enable conversation mode (which jumbles together messages from all folders), tag a message before sending it (or hunt in the Sent folder to tag afterward), and use Tag → tagname to effectively group related conversations while eliminating the noise from all unrelated conversations.
Tagging and view-by-tag might work to effect “Save sent in same folder”, but are private functions within a single instance of eM Client. Great if that is the only instance of eM Client you ever use. Worthless if you have eM Client on multiple hosts, or employ other IMAP/webmail clients.
Once you tag, at least, one message in a conversation, and after using Tag → tagname to view only those conversations (in their entirety, not just the messages within them with the tag), can you select all or some those tagged conversations to save them together? That would facilitate saving together the related conversations.
Thanks for your time. It is appreciated.
Conversations negates that. You DON’T need to move the sent messages. It doesn’t matter where the received message is, the replies from the Sent folder will always be displayed with it regardless of what folders the received messages are in.
But if you want them in the same folder, as I said, in most cases it is the server that creates the message in the Sent folder on the server. Maybe saving the sent messages to different folders is something you could ask your email provider to implement?